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People dont really understand what it is-

Posted By: D
Date: 11 Jun 03, 6:01 am

In Response To: Here's Your Collusion (urban33)

They think when a pot goes capped on a couple of streets people must be colluding- cause they heard thats how it happens. Or this example from RGP this morning- which is something completely different.

Heres another beauty from RGP this morning

"***** Hand History for Game 75771908 *****
5/10 TexasHTGameTable - Wed Jun 11 11:28:06 EDT 2003
Table Pars (6 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: dynamobrit ( $267)
Seat 2: ginamarie ( $1099)
Seat 3: Harley50 ( $415)
Seat 4: Blackspdr ( $167)
Seat 6: ecafracs ( $380)
Harley50 posts small blind (2)
Blackspdr posts big blind (5)
** Dealing down cards **

ecafracs raises (10) to 10
ginamarie raises (15) to 15
Harley50 folds.
Blackspdr folds.
ecafracs calls (5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ac, 2d, 2c ]
ecafracs checks.
ginamarie bets (5)
ecafracs calls (5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4s ]
ecafracs checks.
ginamarie checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Kh ]
ecafracs checks.
ginamarie checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $45 | Rake: $2
Board: [ Ac 2d 2c 4s Kh ]
dynamobrit balance $267, sits out
ginamarie balance $1079, lost $20 [ 7c 5s ] [ a pair of twos --
Ac,Kh,7c,2d,2c ]
Harley50 balance $413, lost $2 (folded)
Blackspdr balance $162, lost $5 (folded)
ecafracs balance $405, bet $20, collected $45, net +$25 [ Qd 4d ] [ two
pairs, fours and twos -- Ac,4d,4s,2d,2c ]

1. Ecafracs raised under the gun with Q4s, a bad play, but not earth
shattering

2. How does ginamarie three bet with 57off?

3. When Ecafracs completely misses the flop, and knowing he got 3 get before the flop, how does he call with absolutely nothing and probably no draws?

4. The play of this hand makes no sense. If these 2 were colluding to steal the blinds in situations like this, they would be smart enough to have one guy bet and the other guy fold on the river so people like me could not analyze their play.

I don't think these guy are actually bad players, not really bad atleast.

The thing is in 30 years of poker, and having my fair share of Titling
plays, I have never make a check call on the flop with a hand like Q4 into a flop of A22 after I got 3 bet. If he check raised FINE, or if he tried to bet on another street, but he just check called and checked it down. What was he hoping for? If he thought he would win if he hit a queen or a 4, and he did, why not bet? These guys got so creative before the flop with their bad hands, but after the flop, when it counts, they decide to play lame.

This hand just makes me very suspicious."

Its funny cause the guy basically explains to himself- exactly why these people are definitely not colluding- on multiple levels- and then after all that- come up with "this hand makes me suspicious".

People want to believe so bad it exists- that they read it into situations that clearly are not collusion- and even when they can explain it to themselves- STILL come up with an erroneous conclusion- and im not sure why.

Its pretty humorous to me.

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Here's Your Collusion -- urban33 -- 11 Jun 03, 5:10 am
People dont really understand what it is- -- D -- 11 Jun 03, 6:01 am

 

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