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I'm still learning but I disagree about luck

Posted By: Warren
Date: 5 Jun 03, 4:52 am

In Response To: advantage play. (Dreamer)

I watch WPT and they always play Texas Hold 'em. To me, there is a great deal of luck in the flop, 4th street and the river because the weaker hand can be saved after the players are all-in. BUT there is not a lot of luck in guaging the other players. Nor is there a lot of luck in having the highest chip count going into the final table.

The guy who won last night (Layne somebody) is rather famous. I saw him accurately guess that Buss (owner of the Lakers) had a queen of clubs on a certain hand and he correctly folded a solid hand. He knew by "tells" or the way Buss was betting the hand.

Layne also made some lower percentage calls to take guys out. He got "lucky", going into 4th street twice with the weaker hand, eliminating 2 guys who were all-in. BUT he could afford to take a lower percentage chance to eliminate these guys because he had a massive chip lead. He built up that lead on all the lower tables leading to the final table.
That was not luck.

I think that other variations of poker have less luck than Texas Hold 'em, as far as playing the cards are concerned. But in Texas Hold 'em where the bet is unlimited, the key is reading players and accumulating chips. One can be bluffed and/or make mistakes and read another player wrong but that is not luck.

I am a rank beginner but this is what I have observed watching the WPT
so far.

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In the General Forum, it was written -- Warren -- 4 Jun 03, 4:42 am
I know D is broke ;-) (nt) -- Goats -- 4 Jun 03, 5:51 am
This is all true- but note: -- D -- 4 Jun 03, 5:54 am
Sponsors -- D -- 4 Jun 03, 6:02 am
One more note- -- D -- 4 Jun 03, 6:05 am
Looks like 120% to me -- Warren -- 4 Jun 03, 6:34 am
If hes unethical enough- -- D -- 4 Jun 03, 7:28 am
I learn something new everyday -- Ricky -- 6 Jun 03, 5:47 pm
I have heard of people selling more than 100% -- D -- 6 Jun 03, 11:52 pm
but getting your name in card player -- ...The Real MT -- 7 Jun 03, 1:34 pm
My question remains -- Warren -- 4 Jun 03, 8:34 am
A couple of thoughts -- D -- 4 Jun 03, 8:50 am
Can you clarify terms? -- Warren -- 4 Jun 03, 10:22 am
advantage play. -- Dreamer -- 4 Jun 03, 2:20 pm
I will add that............. -- Dreamer -- 4 Jun 03, 2:36 pm
I agree this is probably true (nt) -- D -- 4 Jun 03, 4:43 pm
Response -- D -- 4 Jun 03, 4:47 pm
I'm still learning but I disagree about luck -- Warren -- 5 Jun 03, 4:52 am
All excellent observations (nt) -- D -- 5 Jun 03, 6:00 am
Luck -- James -- 5 Jun 03, 10:27 am
Good point but... -- Warren -- 5 Jun 03, 11:12 am
"luck factor" -- Dreamer -- 5 Jun 03, 2:43 pm
Response -- D -- 4 Jun 03, 2:42 pm
number 4 -- No Name -- 4 Jun 03, 8:14 pm
Your answers raised a few more questions -- Warren -- 5 Jun 03, 4:37 am
Response -- D -- 5 Jun 03, 6:06 am
VERY informative. Thanx! Now... -- Warren -- 5 Jun 03, 10:19 am
Getting started- -- D -- 5 Jun 03, 12:53 pm
Thanx! What kind of bankroll does one need to get started? (nt) -- Warren -- 8 Jun 03, 3:55 am
I can't find the online website you recommend -- Warren -- 8 Jun 03, 6:59 am
Links -- D -- 8 Jun 03, 8:28 am

 

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