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Posted By: ricky
Date: 28 Jul 03, 3:26 pm

In Response To: I'm sorry that you consider my disagreement as an attack. (Warren Ball)

I don't consider your comments attack...I love this kind of thing.

As for the offensive line, you said : "As to improvement, they signed 2 offensive linemen in free agency and drafted 3 more. So how can you say that they don't have an injection from the draft to improve in any area? Again, this offensive system takes awhile to learn; so even if they didn't have a lot of new talent
(which they do) the Oline would improve simply by virtue of having been in the 2nd year of the new system. "

I don't know much about the 2 OLs that they signed in free agency. Maybe they'll be adequate, maybe they'll be better than what they had last year. As for the kids they drafted, those were high round drafts, which are not as surethings as 1st rounder and 2nd rounders. Yes, I know there are 1st rounders that suck, and 6th rounders that become All-Pros, but in the NFL, for the most part any non-QB 1st round pick becomes a solid starter...and it is difficult for 4th and higher round picks to sniff the starting lineup. A simple look at the roster on the All-Pro team shows mostly 1st rounders (at least the last time I looked).

Again, quantity does not mean quality. I think they have alot of backs that are equally average or below-average. I think they have added a bunch of OL in the draft that are either average or below average, otherwise they would've been 1st / 2nd rounders.

I agree they should be better with another year of the system under their belt, and I agree that they looked and played alot better in the playoffs. I still think their running game is their weakness and below average, even if they gel with Gruden.

Messages In This Thread

Give Me One reason why Tampa won't repeat? -- Sean Manning -- 28 Jul 03, 2:25 am

Take them, but... -- Shadow -- 28 Jul 03, 3:36 am

1. Michael Pittman, 2.weak saftey 3.oh yeah NO OFFENSE (nt) -- papa joe -- 28 Jul 03, 4:32 am

Disagree completely. -- Warren Ball -- 28 Jul 03, 5:08 am

come on now -- Ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 6:45 am

You're too hard on the RB's -- Warren Ball -- 28 Jul 03, 6:58 am

I agree! (nt) -- Buc's #1 Fan -- 28 Jul 03, 7:04 am

Fullbacks -- Ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 7:06 am

I'm sorry that you consider my disagreement as an attack. -- Warren Ball -- 28 Jul 03, 12:56 pm

offensive line -- ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 3:26 pm

There is definite improvement -- Warren Ball -- 29 Jul 03, 3:42 am

any Bucs fans around here? :o) nm (nt) -- Mr. Tomasulo -- 29 Jul 03, 4:32 am

Yeah but we homers know quite a bit about the team -- Warren Ball -- 29 Jul 03, 10:43 am

Are you related to A. Silverstone???? -- Billy Ford -- 29 Jul 03, 3:54 am

I don't get your humor -- Warren Ball -- 29 Jul 03, 4:03 am

you never saw the movie "Clueless?" -- Billy Ford -- 29 Jul 03, 5:07 am

Yeah I saw it but she's been in a lot of movies -- Warren Ball -- 29 Jul 03, 10:51 am

are you ok? -- Jeff Jones -- 30 Jul 03, 2:37 pm

reasons why TB will not repeat -- Ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 7:02 am

No one really knows whether they will repeat or not -- Overlay -- 28 Jul 03, 8:56 am

20% is way too optimistic IMO -- rcdavies -- 28 Jul 03, 9:48 am

You're probably right. I'll back off -- Overlay -- 28 Jul 03, 11:10 am

Excellent points in this & your previous post. -- Warren Ball -- 28 Jul 03, 1:09 pm

Giants -- Ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 3:53 pm

doubts -- Mr. Tomasulo -- 28 Jul 03, 4:21 pm

They heavily upgraded their weaknesses -- Warren Ball -- 29 Jul 03, 3:47 am

No one really knows whether they will repeat or not -- Jeff Jones -- 30 Jul 03, 2:41 pm

And here I thought you appreciated irony (nt) -- Overlay -- 31 Jul 03, 6:24 am

That wasn't really Jeff Jones -- Colin Caster -- 3 Aug 03, 7:27 pm

Disagree again. -- Warren Ball -- 28 Jul 03, 1:19 pm

Value of the NFL draft -- Ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 3:50 pm

Again, Tampa was young to start with -- Warren Ball -- 29 Jul 03, 3:56 am

Gruden coaching philosophy -- Cutter -- 28 Jul 03, 9:32 am

Royals -- Ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 12:50 pm

Yes I did actually. -- Cutter -- 28 Jul 03, 1:28 pm

Couldn't find it. Oh well (nt) -- Ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 3:32 pm

So when Carolina gets a wilcard this year... -- Cutter -- 29 Jul 03, 12:13 pm

Neither could I. -- Cutter -- 29 Jul 03, 12:31 pm

No Problem -- Ricky -- 29 Jul 03, 12:54 pm

USE GOOGLE AND "Kansas City" you'll get it right top duhhh (nt) -- Jeff Jones -- 30 Jul 03, 2:43 pm

Rams may not collapse for them again -- Mr. Tomasulo -- 28 Jul 03, 11:36 am

TB +3.5 / +3 at PHI? -- Ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 12:53 pm

The spread is only because of home field and revenge factor. -- Warren Ball -- 28 Jul 03, 1:03 pm

3 for home, .5 for revenge. that means they are equal -- ricky -- 28 Jul 03, 3:28 pm

The market is not such a strong source this early -- Warren Ball -- 29 Jul 03, 3:49 am

Thanks Warren -- Ricky -- 29 Jul 03, 4:03 am

ricky i agree with ya -- Billy Ford -- 29 Jul 03, 4:04 am

No Respect -- Trisk -- 28 Jul 03, 3:51 pm

Big Difference between NE/PITT & PHIL/TB -- Ben Dover -- 29 Jul 03, 4:05 am

lol (nt) -- Mr. Tomasulo -- 29 Jul 03, 4:32 am

Weed -- Trisk -- 30 Jul 03, 5:32 am

Enjoy living in last year, I laid -2.5-125 (nt) -- Ben Dover -- 30 Jul 03, 12:49 pm

Hope u dont Bend Over on that play ;) (nt) -- Trisk -- 30 Jul 03, 1:36 pm

Bend Over and pick up the sloppy book's money off the floor (nt) -- Ben Dover -- 30 Jul 03, 4:08 pm

Phi to win by double digits, great reverse parlay game (nt) -- Jeff Jones -- 30 Jul 03, 2:45 pm

actually home field in NFL is worth 3pts so TB/PHI are even in oddsmaker -- Billy Ford -- 29 Jul 03, 4:00 am

Lack of hunger after winning (nt) -- TrendMan -- 28 Jul 03, 5:19 pm

CYCLES ALWAYS CHANGE -- Rick -- 28 Jul 03, 5:28 pm

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