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You would be laughable if you didn't directly hurt my livelihood.

Posted By: The Groovin' Mahoovin
Date: 14 May 04, 8:26 am

In Response To: Misquoting is the same as lieing (daringly)

This will likely be the last thing I have to say on this matter. I would be in hysterics over your holier-than-thou attitude if it didn't directly hurt me financially.

And you have crossed the line, Groovin.

Yeah, you're a great arbiter of appropriate behavior.

1. "3 months ago he's thanking SSB for teaching him everything he knows".

This simply did not happen.

Again, I will let your own words speak for themselves.

On January 21, you said

"The main benefit I see of sharing ideas on SSB is that others with well-thought out developed ideas will take my questions and emails seriously. I can honestly say that every good idea I've had, I stole. My conclusions and analysis are completely based on concepts I have plagiarized rampantly from this site (this is serious. No sarcasm here). Almost EVERY SINGLE FACTOR I put into my power rankings, someone here suggested in one way or another. My original ideas control less than 10% of my numbers.

On May 7th, you wrote

In my dealings with SSB, I have given out a LOT of information - in fact a lot more than I received.

Which is it?

Apparently you seem to think that because you've made some winning picks on SSB, you've "given more than you've received," but as far as I can tell, since I've been reading SSB (early 2003), your plays on the free pages won about 5 or 6 units, unless I'm missing some. I have no idea about your previous picks. By my definition of "value," ideas which allow you to create a winning system that got you a job are far more valueable than sharing 5 or 6 units worth of picks.

2. "he claims he's given SSB far more than SSB ever gave him because while SSB might have helped him get a job with Pinnacle..." Where did I claim SSB helped me get a job at Pinnacle?

If you had almost no original ideas, and you got all your ideas from SSB, it sounds like SSB got you a job at Pinnacle, no? Or would you like to recant your Jan 21 statement again?

3. "Daringly has gotten some of my VIP money". False - I did not receive one penny for NFL picks - just the privilege of reading and posting on VIP.

Receiving a service for which other people pay $1300 annually doesn't count as "one penny?" Good one!

And, if misquoting is the same as lieing (sic), what's quoting out of context? If you had bothered to quote the end of that sentence, you would see that I was paying to read your picks before, so your comment about me being "bitter that I wasn't receiving your picks for free" is completely out of line since I was paying to receive your picks before.

PS - when did you help me with modeling?

And while we're talking about who's lying here, I've answered several of your questions about modeling, and yet you've claimed that "none of [my] posts stand out, only the ones which criticize [you]." Let's see the first hit I get when I search on both our names... oh look.

Daringly on July 28 in response to me after I helped him calculate MLEs

"That was a GREAT article... exactly what I was looking for."

(I could have explained MLEs myself but I figured it would be best to point you towards an article that could explain them better and in more detail than I could.)

In my perfunctory search I noticed at least 4 of your questions I've answered, including one where I inadvertently gave you info so valuable that I had to go back and delete the post, just in case someone might happen to stumble upon it in the archives 9 months later.

Messages In This Thread

Where can I get -- Sean -- 7 May 04, 8:06 pm

data -- daringly -- 7 May 04, 9:12 pm

I know you're on the "other side" -- WarDekar -- 7 May 04, 9:16 pm

I do not know why everyone gives Daringly so much crap -- Sean -- 8 May 04, 4:02 am

? I wasn't giving him crap? Just asked a question... (nt) -- WarDekar -- 8 May 04, 7:01 am

Sean I would've jumped at the opportunity as well... -- Mr J -- 8 May 04, 11:59 am

Agree 100%...get off Darringly! (nt) -- Sully -- 8 May 04, 4:01 pm

Just re-read my post, great 2nd sentence... (nt) -- Mr J -- 9 May 04, 6:48 am

The reactions here baffle me. -- The Groovin' Mahoovin -- 9 May 04, 8:08 am

I don't know ANYTHING about betting arena football... -- Mr J -- 9 May 04, 10:43 am

His jump to Pinnacle is not a big deal -- Sean -- 9 May 04, 4:13 pm

Some quick comments -- The Groovin' Mahoovin -- 10 May 04, 5:23 am

Misquoting is the same as lieing -- daringly -- 10 May 04, 11:26 am

U never answered my question on the General Forum (nt) -- Ben Dover -- 10 May 04, 4:20 pm

You would be laughable if you didn't directly hurt my livelihood. -- The Groovin' Mahoovin -- 14 May 04, 8:26 am

comments -- Mr J -- 14 May 04, 1:35 pm

Groovin- -- D -- 9 May 04, 4:59 pm

D -- Mr J -- 9 May 04, 5:20 pm

Yes, it's unfortunate there's not much left here. -- The Groovin' Mahoovin -- 10 May 04, 12:57 am

Just know you're not alone in your opinions (nt) -- Goats -- 10 May 04, 5:15 am

"before I'm allowed to express my opinions?" -- Mr J -- 10 May 04, 6:02 am

SW is in a tough position (nt) -- Ben Dover -- 10 May 04, 4:23 pm

how so? -- Sublime -- 15 May 04, 8:45 am

Yep (nt) -- Ben Dover -- 10 May 04, 4:21 pm

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